Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Morin Sent to Phantoms, Prospect Updates and More

Coots a +4 while g and jake are both -2. Somehow. Someway.

Bill,
While I understand completely the reasoning behind the Morin move, it feels like it is more to do with not wanting to go out on the "three rookie" limb than the players abilities. I don't think Morin will be ruined for not being in the NHL, I just feel cheated at not getting to see him sooner. Sanheim has shown that when he doesn't have the Yips, he belongs...it is smoothing out the yips.

Isn't great to be worried about the youth on defense...that there is too much...ready for the NHL? The days of rushing (and wrecking) Luca Sbisa are gone.

Let's say hakstol wins the challenge.

Wonderful. 63 more seconds of 6 on 3 time to kill

Unconscionable

asdf

Coots a +4 while g and jake are both -2. Somehow. Someway.
- Just5

I could tell you why, but I would rather just bask in the greatness of +/-

I feel bad for Morin....but I'm going to feel even more sorry for any of the baby Pens who try to hit him in his first game back with the Phantoms.

They might wanna consider staying as far away from Sam as possible.

Coots a +4 while g and jake are both -2. Somehow. Someway.
- Just5

...and he's hammering people on the boards.

My biggest issue is that, where is Morin's spot next year? And if he impresses in camp similar to Sanheim, where is Myer's spot?

All this young D prospect pool we have is great, and seeing what Ghost, Provorov, Hagg, and Sanheim can do is nice. But both MacDonald and Gudas are signed towards next year, and the organization doesn't seem keen to sitting them or trading them, which means another season with only 2 spots between Hagg, Sanheim, Morin, and Myers. Gudas could be moved, but the Flyers seem fixated on having a RHD (which Myers is, also), and while AMac could be moved, it would either be for an equally paid player, or it would require retained money and/or additional assets. I'm hoping that Hextall has accounted for all of this, but I just wonder what the plan would be for later on this season and next.

Let's say the following happens: Provorov goes out for a month (DOOMED!) and Morin is recalled. During his recall, Morin plays exceptionally well, plays great defense and is able to chip in a handful of points. Assuming everyone's play remains strong, when Provorov comes back, do you send Morin back down after he's shown that he belongs? Do you send one of Hagg/Sanheim back, Do you sit Ghost? Or do you bite the bullet and admit that maybe having 3 good rookies in your lineup is acceptable and do the unthinkable of sitting one of the vets?

Coots a +4 while g and jake are both -2. Somehow. Someway.
- Just5

Shorthanded GA for top PP unit (Couturier not on ice) Couturier assisted on Simmonds IT goal (Giroux and Voracek not on ice), Couturier on ice for Provorov ESG one second after a power play expired (Giroux and Voracek not on the ice) and don't believe Couturier was on ice for 3rd Preds goal. Add that to the two plusses from his ESG in Anaheim and Giroux goal on opening night and there is Couturier's plus-four.

Let's say hakstol wins the challenge.

Wonderful. 63 more seconds of 6 on 3 time to kill

Unconscionable
- Just5

might be the dumbest move i have ever scene. wtf. this team might make the playoffs and will need every road point they can get. best division in sports and we are pissing points away at the end of one of the toughest trips of the yr.

why on gods green earth would you choose to put that game back into the refs hands?

I could tell you why, but I would rather just bask in the greatness of +/-

Bask away in the light of the Hakstol-era.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...yed,gte,20&sort=plusMinus

My biggest issue is that, where is Morin's spot next year? And if he impresses in camp similar to Sanheim, where is Myer's spot?

All this young D prospect pool we have is great, and seeing what Ghost, Provorov, Hagg, and Sanheim can do is nice. But both MacDonald and Gudas are signed towards next year, and the organization doesn't seem keen to sitting them or trading them, which means another season with only 2 spots between Hagg, Sanheim, Morin, and Myers. Gudas could be moved, but the Flyers seem fixated on having a RHD (which Myers is, also), and while AMac could be moved, it would either be for an equally paid player, or it would require retained money and/or additional assets. I'm hoping that Hextall has accounted for all of this, but I just wonder what the plan would be for later on this season and next.

Let's say the following happens: Provorov goes out for a month (DOOMED!) and Morin is recalled. During his recall, Morin plays exceptionally well, plays great defense and is able to chip in a handful of points. Assuming everyone's play remains strong, when Provorov comes back, do you send Morin back down after he's shown that he belongs? Do you send one of Hagg/Sanheim back, Do you sit Ghost? Or do you bite the bullet and admit that maybe having 3 good rookies in your lineup is acceptable and do the unthinkable of sitting one of the vets?
- jmatchett383

I would bet that Provorov would be sent down or left as the 7th/8th

Bask away in the light of the Hakstol-era.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...yed,gte,20&sort=plusMinus
- Feanor

Stop, this makes me miss VDV

Let's say hakstol wins the challenge.

Wonderful. 63 more seconds of 6 on 3 time to kill

Unconscionable
- Just5

Between this and Cody Allen refusing to throw a curveball for 9 pitches in a row to Brett Gardner, who sucks at hitting curveballs, after fouling off pedestrian 94 mph, hardly painting corners....I'm furious. Furious.

I would bet that Provorov would be sent down or left as the 7th/8th
- YuenglingJagr

I'm dead serious, what do you think they would do? As Bill said, AMac isn't a sacred cow, but it would take a hell of a lot to have him sit, at the same time.

My biggest issue is that, where is Morin's spot next year? And if he impresses in camp similar to Sanheim, where is Myer's spot?

All this young D prospect pool we have is great, and seeing what Ghost, Provorov, Hagg, and Sanheim can do is nice. But both MacDonald and Gudas are signed towards next year, and the organization doesn't seem keen to sitting them or trading them, which means another season with only 2 spots between Hagg, Sanheim, Morin, and Myers.
- jmatchett383

I'm firmly of the belief that if Dan Girardi can get 2 x $3m as a free agent, that Hextall could move MacDonald for a low pick by retaining 50%. And if he can't, we know he is not opposed to waiving him.

If these are the top 7 dmen in 18-19 I wouldn't be worried about who the #7 is, provided they played around 40 games. Which is very likely, because even if the top 6 average 75 games played, that would still leave 42.

Gudas (28)
Ghost (25)
Hagg (23)
Morin (23)
Sanheim (22)
Provorov (21)
Myers (21)

I'm dead serious, what do you think they would do? As Bill said, AMac isn't a sacred cow, but it would take a hell of a lot to have him sit, at the same time.
- jmatchett383

Morin's play would force the Flyers into a decision to move one of the vets.

I'm firmly of the belief that if Dan Girardi can get 2 x $3m as a free agent, that Hextall could move MacDonald for a low pick by retaining 50%. And if he can't, we know he is not opposed to waiving him.

If these are the top 7 dmen in 18-19 I wouldn't be worried about who the #7 is, provided they played around 40 games. Which is very likely, because even if the top 6 average 75 games played, that would still leave 42.

Gudas (28)
Ghost (25)
Hagg (23)
Morin (23)
Sanheim (22)
Provorov (21)
Myers (21)

Just let it play out. If all six of those young defensemen are NHL regulars that would be simply amazing.

I want Morin playing in the NHL but I get why he is not. He will be ready when he gets his shot.

My biggest issue is that, where is Morin's spot next year? And if he impresses in camp similar to Sanheim, where is Myer's spot?

All this young D prospect pool we have is great, and seeing what Ghost, Provorov, Hagg, and Sanheim can do is nice. But both MacDonald and Gudas are signed towards next year, and the organization doesn't seem keen to sitting them or trading them, which means another season with only 2 spots between Hagg, Sanheim, Morin, and Myers. Gudas could be moved, but the Flyers seem fixated on having a RHD (which Myers is, also), and while AMac could be moved, it would either be for an equally paid player, or it would require retained money and/or additional assets. I'm hoping that Hextall has accounted for all of this, but I just wonder what the plan would be for later on this season and next.

Let's say the following happens: Provorov goes out for a month (DOOMED!) and Morin is recalled. During his recall, Morin plays exceptionally well, plays great defense and is able to chip in a handful of points. Assuming everyone's play remains strong, when Provorov comes back, do you send Morin back down after he's shown that he belongs? Do you send one of Hagg/Sanheim back, Do you sit Ghost? Or do you bite the bullet and admit that maybe having 3 good rookies in your lineup is acceptable and do the unthinkable of sitting one of the vets?
- jmatchett383

Okay first paragraph:
Hextall has accounted for it. They are completely fine from a salary cap standpoint, even resigning Simmonds in 2 years (knew this would make you happy), but the problem would come when these ELC's start going away. There is a bit too much uncertainty there to really project what it will cost them, but Hexy doesn't really give out NMC, so we wouldn't be as (frank)ed as we used to be (and there will still be a steady stream of ELC's). Hextall has also always erred on the side of caution until he felt he needed to make a move. I doubt he would act like he is trying to trade AMac, he will just do it one day. Same with Gudas. Gudas is better, younger, RH, and cheaper, so I would bet he stays, but who knows.

Second paragraph:
I would bet once Provorov came back, they'd scratch some random person for some unspecified reason and everyone would flip out, but what I think you're saying is how would the lineup look with 3 rookies + Provorov. That I think is a little more clear. I would suspect they'd let Hagg skate with Provorov, Morin would pair with Ghost (who moves to the right side), and Sanheim/Gudas stays the same. The other obvious alternative is Gudas with Provorov, Ghost/Hagg stay together, and Morin pairs with Sanheim. I like the latter a bit better, but I will say that I prefer Ghost and Sanheim on the left side.

Additionally:
I chose the AMac scratching for obvious reasons, but lets say he stays. I still think he could move to Ghost or Sanheim's right side. However, assuming he sticks to Provorov, you would then scratch Gudas (or Ghost, but stfu) and have Ghost/Hagg, Morin/Sanheim (or swap Ghost and Sanheim)

I'm dead serious, what do you think they would do? As Bill said, AMac isn't a sacred cow, but it would take a hell of a lot to have him sit, at the same time.
- jmatchett383

see above...I was just buying time for my novel

Between this and Cody Allen refusing to throw a curveball for 9 pitches in a row to Brett Gardner, who sucks at hitting curveballs, after fouling off pedestrian 94 mph, hardly painting corners....I'm furious. Furious.
- Giroux_Is_God

22 wins in a row

asdf x2

I'm firmly of the belief that if Dan Girardi can get 2 x $3m as a free agent, that Hextall could move MacDonald for a low pick by retaining 50%. And if he can't, we know he is not opposed to waiving him.

If these are the top 7 dmen in 18-19 I wouldn't be worried about who the #7 is, provided they played around 40 games. Which is very likely, because even if the top 6 average 75 games played, that would still leave 42.

Gudas (28)
Ghost (25)
Hagg (23)
Morin (23)
Sanheim (22)
Provorov (21)
Myers (21)
- Feanor

Which one do we lose to Seattle?

All the youth doesn't seem to be hurting other teams. It's just the flyers organization that youth apparently scares. And I can see why with the amazing vets we have